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62% of you say democrats. 38% say republicans. we noticed an awful lot of people voted for neither which was not even an option. >> do we have time to discuss th results? the debate continues. join us tomorrow for another edition of "crossfire." erin burnett "outfront" starts right now. "outfront," speed, sleep and the search for why. >> every indication that he would have had time to get full restorative sleep. >> plus, bob dylan wrote songs of peace. ♪ why is he beast accused of inciting hatred?
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>> and obama care. back from the dead? >> i need to you spread word about the law, about its protections about, how folks can sign up. >> can the affordable care act be saved? let's go "outfront." hello, everyone. i'm in for erin burnett. "outfront," cnn is learning the engineer involve in the deadly train derail many in new york was, quote, nodding off and caught himself too late, unquote, to prevent the deadly crash. that's according to union representative anlth bottalico. according to investigators, he passed the breathalizer test but said he was in a daze and doesn't know what happened after the crash. the national transportation safety board said there was no problem with the brakes. four people were killed and at least 67 others were injured.
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some of them severely when the commuter train entered a sharp turn going 82 miles an hour in a 30-mile-per-hour zone. nic robson is at the crash site with the latest. >> reporter: human error, william billy rockefeller's daze, increasingly the probable cause. his union representative saying he was nodding off and caught himself too late. >> he is extremely distraught over it. and he feel for the families. i don't believe that in my opinion, anybody could ever make billy feel worse than he is making himself feel today. so billy feel terrible. whether it was his fault or not his fault. >> having eliminated a number of possible causes including signal failure, the focus of the investigation increasingly falling upon william rockefeller jr., the train's engineer. >> the operations group
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continued interviewing the members of the crew today including the engineer whose interview is currently underway. >> in the minutes after the derailment according to a source, rockefeller told first responders, going along and i'm in a daze. i don't know what happened. the ntsb says the ten-year veteran driver's hours were routine. >> up he was on the second day of a five-day shift that he had started at 5:00 a.m. in the morning. what time did he finish the shift prior to that? >> i don't know the specific time he finish the shift. but the day was a typical nine-hour day. and these days were routine days. >> so he would have had sufficient time to get a full night's sleep. >> there is every indication that he would have had time to get full restorative sleep. that's correct. >> rockefeller's union rep said the engineer is cooperating fully. >> as he strong man and i think
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it takes strong man to come down and be honest. that's what billy is doing. >> on the question of the brakes, rockefeller had claimed they didn't work at the time of crash. >> we've determined that the metro north mechanical department performed a proper brake test prior to the accident train leaving the station. and there were no anomalies noted. based on these data, there is no indication the brake systems were not functioning properly. >> the facts, 82 miles per hour on a 30-mile-per-hour curve. the apparent late braking five seconds before the train fully came to rest. disturbing. >> the number are starting. shocking and inexcusable. the question is why they were so high. >> reporter: what is known, rockefeller pass ad breathalyzer and had not been using his cell phone in the minutes before the crash. his employers, the mta, saying he is innocent until his disciplinary hearing has concluded. for now, he is out of service.
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not being paid. >> any idea when investigators may officially declare the cause of this crash? >> reporter: jake, it could be as much as a year. typically that's how long it takes investigators. there will probably be more preliminary finalings along the way but that's what we hear. it could be as long as a year. jake? >> and something we all learned about you today. you know what it is like the personally survive a train wreck? you survived a crash very similar to this one back in 1984. describe for us what it was like. >> reporter: there are surprising similarities to me, knowing the details we have now. the train i was on was an overnight sleeper. i was in a tiny carriage which programs addresses some of the questions about seatbelts on trains. i didn't have -- i had only a small distance to fall. the train was going too fast. i could feel it. we were trying to go, the driver was trying to go 90 miles an hour around a 50-mile-an-hour
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limit curve. the carriage i was in came off the track. it tumbled, it rumbled, it felt like it was going on forever. when it came to a stop, the window that i had had at the side was now in the ceiling. the carriage had turned on its side. i could see us very, very close to a building. we had smashed into a building next to the track. it was a very tough experience at the time. i broke my wrist. but i think looking back on it, we were lucky. there were no fatalities. no fatalities because the front carriages that came off, people had only a small distance to fall in their sleeping compartments. unlike being in a carriage full of seats where you could have tumbled the length of the carriage. that's what happens what saved us. >> thank you so much. i want to bring in joel. he was sitting in the fourth car of this train when it derailed on sunday and he is one of the lucky survivors who escaped with only minor injuries. we're glad you're okay. a report that the train operator told investigators that he was dazed and doesn't know what happened ahead of the crash.
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what's your reaction to this news? >> well, to me, there is an ill applied contract when you get on the train. that train is going to operate with the utmost safety to get from point a to point b. and if that safety was disregarded, i'm going to be very, very angry. >> investigators say there were no problems with the brakes prior to the crash. they're still interviewing the engineer trying to determine if he was conscious the entire time. how do you respond to the way investigators are going about the process of looking into what happened? >> i think it is an implemental process to come to what happened. i'm sure it will take a lot of time. at this point, it will take time for the survivors to heal, for the families to heal from what happened. it was absolutely horrific. >> tell us what you went through. >> i was in the fourth car on the right side of the train. and it was a very comfortable ride. made all the stops and right past teri town, new york, i
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started to doze off because it was such a comfortable ride. and i was awoken when the train actually felt, it was going off the tracks will very similar if you've been in an airplane to have severe turbulence. it jostles right off and being on the right side, it tilted to the right. i could see the gravel and the ground whizzing past my hes a couple feet. the car bounced to the right, bounced to the left. it kept rolling back and forth until i was smashed into the left side of the train on the wall. >> horrific. we're glad you're okay. >> thank you. >> the governor of new york, andrew cuomo, said in a radio interview this accident was about speed and not equipment failure or track problems. the governor has dialed back those comments a bit. from your perspective, what happened as the train made that sharp turn? was it speed that was the problem? >> well, i didn't realize we were in the curve at that time. and i had taken that train many, many times. when you do go across that curve, you go at a crawl.
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and as it was whizzing past my head, even then said to myself, we are going extremely fast. and we were. it wasn't until we actually were rescued that we realized that had been the hair pin curve that caused the crash. >> obviously some of the preliminary accounts we've heard from this engineer. we're not sure what emsince he hasn't made the comments publicly yet. but the train was going 82 miles an hour in a 30-mile-per-hour zone. he initially seemed to say that the brakes were not working although investigators have said the brakes had nothing to do with it. did you notice any attempt to stop the train before you entered that turn and it came off the rails? >> no. i'm a very light sleeper. any time the brakes would go on, even when we were making stops, i would get right awake and i was not awoken until we went off the tracks. at no point did i hear those brakes going on. >> and what do you make of the
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union representative in nic's report earlier? tonight who said, that mr. rockefeller, the engineer, it looks as though he has come forward and accepted responsibility and accepted blame and been honest about this. obviously you went through was horrific and those who lost loved ones, i can't even imagine they're going through. is there something there about somebody saying, i spaced out. this was my fault. >> too many lives at stake. too many lives affected. i was at a dental convention today and people who were on that train came up to me. they recognized me from being on that train. and they said to me, i'll never go on a train again. that's terrible. that's a terrible way to live. the fear and the trauma that people saw and you've got to deal with that and live with that for the rest of your life. >> all right. thank you so much. and again we're glad that you're okay. >> thank you very much. still to come, disturbing reports out of north korea.
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what an official bpd the missile launch sites. plus, bob dylan accused of inciting hate? we'll tell you what he said and why it mate soemd people angry. and paul walker's final moments. it's donut friday at the office. and i'm low man on the totem pole. so every friday morning they send me out to get the goods. but what they don't know is that i'm using my citi thankyou card at the coffee shop, so i get 2 times the points. and those points add up fast. so, sure, make me the grunt. 'cause i'll be using those points to help me get to a beach in miami. and allllllll the big shots will be stuck here at the cube farm. the citi thankyou preferred card. now earn 2x the points on dining out and entertainment, with no annual apply, go to
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one of the official launch sights to handle rockets. the country has now detained two american citizens and we're hearing reports that the leader, kim jong-un, has sacked his uncle from the high military post. to add to this circus environment, dennis rodman is heading back there later this month. barbara starr is "outfront." lots to talk about. let's start with the most starting china. north korea. >> it is difficult to assess. there's not a lot of visibility. there is, however, commercial satellite imagery first published by a webb with the johns hopkins studies. this is a satellite launch facility at a place, if you look on the right-hand side, in september, no roof on this site.
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just weeks later, by mid-november, about two months later, the roof is on. you see paift has been poured. all kinds of progress at this site. this is a site the north koreans will use more capable rockets. a nearby assembly building undergoing construction. so it looks by all accounts, the missile program making progress. no signs of a missile on a launch pad but everything you see in the satellite image is aimed at making the north koreans able to launch more capable missiles. that is always a worry. >> and this all come in the context of kim jong-un and his attempts to rule that country and rule as himself. and part of that, are these reports that kim jong-un's uncle, that he has been purged from his position. earlier i spoke with the former stand secretary of state and we
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talked about this. >> it is cheer at the beginning of the kim jong-un rule, it opened up the question whether he was in charge. one thing we know that this boy king is that he wants to show he is in charge. >> possibly could explain the rest of the aggressive actions out of north korea, right? >> that's what officials think. they think most of the developments are about kim jong-un trying to be in charge. the big concern, the two americans, merle newman and kenneth bae, being held with kim's assent, with his agreement. what will it take to get him to agree to send the americans back home? that's the big question on the table. >> barbara starr, thank you so much. is bob dylan a hater? he's been charged in france with inciting hatred. it is all over the comments he made in rolling stone a year
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ago. he said if you have a slave master in your blood, blacks can sense that. that stuff lingers to this day just like jews can sense nazi blood and the serves can sense croatian blood. they pressed charges but the organization's lawyer told cnn that his client would be willing to drop the charges if dylan publicly apologizes. so is bob dylan in any real legal danger? karen greenburg is the director, of course, americans immediately think freedom of speech but different country, different laws. is bob dylan in any real legal jeopardy in france? >> probably not. i mean, you're right. the united states protects speech including hate speech, which i don't think this is. although the french think otherwise more than any country in the world. it is hard to imagine a suit that could be brought. but it is true. hate speech is not protected in europe as it is here.
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and in fact the european laws against hate speech are tied to the context of the post holocaust where they associate hate sbeech the violent crimes that were done against jews and others. so it is a very different context. here it is a ludicrous type of charge. hate speech is protected. there are very few and rare exceptions to it. the supreme court has upheld a very high bar for hate speech being protected in the united states. so in a way, it is kind of a ridiculous event, i think. >> what is so shocking is this isn't eminem. he is a poet, an art heist performed at martin luther king in washington. >> i think that is a really interesting question. it is almost like they wanted to find something to go after and they were looking for something. and whether it has to do with bob dylan or the united states generally, it is disrespectful
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of many things. one of them as you said, is who bob dylan actually is and what he stands for and his embrace of freedoms of all sorts. and the other thing about it is that the content of his quote is very true. it takes a long time for people and societies to get over harms done to them. that's basically what he was saying. so it is really a lot of fanfather about very thin and nonexistent legal u.s. ground about an issue where i think he was trying to say something rather profound and interesting. >> all right. thank you so much. >> thank you. still to come, the penn has a new deputy. she has a connection to tom cruise. we'll tell you what it is, next. a surprising admission from pope francis. how he earned his living before he became a priest. plus, the latest from the paul walker crash investigation. new video of the actor's final moments. la's known definitely for its traffic,
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cnn has obtained new surveillance footage that shows the moment of paul walker's deadly car crash. you can see it here. a plume of dust and smoke rising as the car careens off the road into a light pole. here's a different angle from a different security camera shortly after the crash. you can see the smoke from the crash that killed walker along with his racing team partner who authorities believe was the one driving the car. we've also just learned the autopsy for the fast and furious actor has been completed but the results have been placed on security hold, pending the crash investigation. michelle turner has more details
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on the crash. >> reporter: fast cars and high octane driving. the keys of the "fast and furious" franchise. and possibly the cause of death for one of the stars. investigators say they believe the fiery crash that killed paul walker and a friend on saturday involved a single speeding car. his "fast and furious" co-star vin diesel visited the crowd thursday night. >> thank you for coming down here and showing that angel up in heaven how much you appreciate it. >> reporter: omg insider object taped this surveillance video showing in the moment the porsche slammed into a light pole. >> we have confirmed doa. >> reporter: the l.a. county sheriff's department investigate asked ruled out a tip the crash may have been the result of a street race. an eyewitness backs up that conclusion. >> when they passed us, there were no other cars around them
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at all. and there is only one car and we were listening for it. when they hit it a little bit, you can hear their exhaust, there is only one car. >> the pavement where the crash occurred is scorched with skid marks, though it is unclear if those were left by the car walker was riding in. and law enforcement sources say the oval like street has a reputation for being popular with fast drivers. walker himself spoke about the dangerous driving depicted in the fast and furious in 2001. >> there is nothing to be worse than a 120 mile blowout on a surface street. pedestrians lining up and down. it is not worth the risk factor. >> i have a baby on a ventilator. >> his new movie will open as planld on december 13th. he had been on seventh installment. the future of that film, now in question. this ominous scene has been leaked on line showing walker at
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a funeral. >> usa today is reporting that production on the "fast and furious seven" was suspended and tuesday, universal pictures did tell cnn they were trying to decide what to do with the film slated for july 11th, trying to decide if they will delay that release of the film. and you talk about that security hole that has been placed on the findings of the autopsy of roger and paul walker. keep in mine sometimes the authorities in los angeles have done this before. they did this in the case of michael jackson. they also placed a security hold on the autopsy of whitney houston. >> thank you. appreciate it. paul walker's was not the only notable death this week. edward passed away. born in south philly, he work in
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obama care back from the dead? >> you've got good ideas?
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bring them to me. let's go. but we're not repealing it as long as i'm president. >> president obama's effort to save the affordable care act. will obama care be given a fair second chance? we cut through what the pundits saying and look for clear answers to this important question. first, here some other developing stories we're following. too early to be thinking about 2016? former president bill clinton thinks so. cnn anchor asked clinton the question on the minds of many. a behind? it involves his wife. >> is mrs. clinton running for president? >> i don't know. and i think, and she believes, that the country should spend at least another year working very hard on the problems we have. we have very serious challenges in america. >> clinton was also asked about whether he would support vice president biden if he runs.
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>> i think the world of him. >> a recent cnn poll shows if clinton, hillary clinton does not run, biden would be the initial favorite for the democratic nominee. long before pope francis became the world's most powerful catholic, reminded parishioners he was once just like us. he too held odd jobs in his youthful get this, he was a night club bouncer booting unsavory characters from the velvet rope line. certainly a change from his approach today. he also worked at a chemical laboratory and he woke at 5:30 in the morning to do the priests' laundry. at the very least you can say he paid his dues. billy joel just signed a deal, the first of its kind, to perform at the garden once a mofl he is a big draw in the empire state having performed dozens of joe's at the msg
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including 12 consecutive shows. he even has a banner in the arena. he said he's played all over the world but there is no place like home. the first four shows which were already planned are sold out. the pentagon has a new number, too. not only is kristine fox the first woman to be poinld the deputy secretary of defense, she has a former claim to fame in the 80s blockbuster top gun. she is the real life charlie. here she is played by kelly mcgillis, of course. >> when i fly, i'll have you know my crew and my plane come first. >> i'm going on finish my sentence. >> i'm sure the film makers were taking a little creative license with the tom cruise romance but we know that fox was assigned as the civilian for the fighter weapons school known as top gun in the 1980s. fast forward to say. her receive life boss said she
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is a brilliant defense thinker and proven manager. fox is replacing until a permanent replacement is found. the obama care publicity tour. the president launch ad three-week tour to 200 ttout it. >> i need to you spread the word about its protections, how folks can sign up, tell your friends, tell your family, do not let the initial problems with the website discourage you. because it is working better now and it will keep working better over time. >> republicans are not buying this sales pitch. >> this bill is fundamentally flawed. causing people to lose the doctor of their choice. causing them on lose their health plan and if that isn't enough, they're having to pay much higher prices at the same time. >> how does this fight end?
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joining me now, democratic congressman, louise gutierrez, and chief corn dana bash. congressman gutierrez and congressman noones, thank you for being here. mr. gutierrez, how can americans who want health insurance, who need health insurance, trust what the president is saying, given all the rollout problems that there have been. we're told these are the problems with too many people trying to logon. obviously the problems were much deeper than that. how can they take it at face value? >> the fact is that people are enrolling like never before. a million people visited the site yesterday. it didn't crash. it is. people are signing up. i went on as i shared with you earlier, i've signed it. i have to pick a plan. i'll do that by monday as required by the law. >> is that the first time you tried it? >> yes. it was the first time i tried. now it is the d.c., not the federal. the d.c. plan. in my state of illinois, we're
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going out and advertising and we're telling people and people are signing up. lots of people have signed up for the medicaid portion of it. and about six out of ten that don't have health care will sign up and be much better. i understand the rollout was less than perfect. that's not what we do as legislators. that's the executive branch themselves should have done a much better job and checked it out. now that we're here, just because the computer did not work, we are not going to stop prenatal care or immunizations. my 25-year-old daughter who is at lsu, hi, jess car, she has health care themselves dropped her when she reach the age of 22. so look. it is working for a lot of people and there's lots to be done. >> congressman? i'm sure you have a response to that. >> we agreed on a lot of thing but this is not one of them. i don't think fundamentally this plan will work. if we go back and we look.
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we have a $100 trillion deficit. this was before obama care. it took money from medicare which is already broke and then added a bunch of new people to medicaid as luis said. the states to have pick up the costs and the states like my state of california and illinois, they're both broke already. >> the states have to pick up 10% of the costs in a few years of medicaid. i mean interesting federal government is paying most of it. >> up front. part of the reason why the administration now has delayed the enrollment. they say they and paneleded it until after the 2014 elections. next year people will pay much higher prices than this year. so i think long term, we submitted a plan. the president talks about a plan that he is open to plans women submitted a plan. myself, paul ryan, senator co-bush, we introduced a bill before it was introduced. >> one of the things that i think is pretty cool about this
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booking, i'm not just saying this. you are two of the most candid people on capitol hill and that says a lot. a lot of candid people up there. so let's just assume for the sake of argument that what you say is true and that you're going to keep believing that what you believe. but you're also a practical politician. you know in your heart of hearts that nothing is going to change as long as the president is in office, right if. >> i take president at his word. the president says we have good ideas. we single him a letter four years ago. that deal is still there. we could take our plan, let people sign up for the republican plan. let people sign up for his plan. >> but it is call obama care for better or worse. the white house is now going back and forth about whether or not that was a great idea to call that it but it is. he won't change it unless the bottom really falls out. >> he can't go on national television today and say send me your plan. we sent him a plan four years ago and then he won't accept our
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plan. >> let's play. that did he issue a challenge to republicans today. >> i've always. i will work with anybody to implement and improve this law effectively. you got good ideas? bring them to me. let's go. but we're not repealing it as long as i'm president. >> so you presented a different health care proposal four years ago. do you have a proposal to improve the law that exists right now? >> it is a totally different concept. if the president wanted to take us -- if he took us up on our offer. i'm speaking totally out of turn here. if they want to take our bill and endorse and it pass it, you have two separate health care plans out there. you have obama care and this free market approach that i would like to try and many republican wos like to try. >> it is a free market approach. i went on the website. i tried to pick the plan as
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close to what the federal government provided me. and i wanted to state that members of congress, all 435 of us, we have the same health care the irs agent has, the guy at social security. we have the same -- >> you can pick your plan. >> what i'm trying to say, for the last 21 years, i have been afforded quality health care. government sponsored health care. $450 a month i pay. that's been my contribution. i faye same contribution that any other federal employee, and all i'm trying to say, if we are in the federal government, shouldn't we give the same tunnel to everyone else that we provide and serve? >> surely you acknowledge that there are problems beyond the webb. >> absolutely. do not think that you can have -- >> look. i think that we should examine it. i think we should take ideas. i don't have any specific ideas that i brought here tonight. but i think as the american people come forward, as we begin
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to look at i, look. it is not about not changing it. we're not going on eliminate it. it is the law of the handled. let's look at something. come original guys. almost 50 million people have no health care, indigent, emergency care, people were dying because they didn't have access to health care. we're that radically in america ask that kind of radical change is going to have by the nature of how huge it is, some glitches. let's fix those and let's have an alternative. i would love to hear devin's plan. maybe we can have a chance to discuss them. that's part of the problem as you guys very well know. nobody wants to talk to everybody. everybody wants the best position and the political decision so they can use it in the next election. i think i can admit that nothing -- >> so tomorrow we can sit down and exchange ideas? >> can i say something, we have a wonderful cordial relationship and too many times, that might
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hurt them back home. you know? all of a sudden his opponents say as he friend of luis. is not that a shame in washington, d.c. you have to be careful to say something kind about a republican colleague? >> do you think you two could draft a health care bill, a separate health care bill that could get through republican house and the democrat senate? >> unless the president embraces our plan, it doesn't matter what we agree on. >> theoretically. >> theoretically wave plan and continue to have a plan that covers every american. it just does it in a different way. what they tried to do, what the democrats tried to do with obama care is they tried to nationalize. to create a medicare for all approach. that is fundamentally flawed approach. medicare and medicaid today are $100 trillion in debt. >> but at the same time, we did go out to the private sector. i'm not going to join a government sponsored health care come monday. i'm going -- >> you've gone on the website. are you going to pay more or less than you're paying now?
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>> as a member of congress at my salary, i'll pay more when i gain access to that. i should have the same health care that we had, as every other federal employee. but look, here's one of the things that i understand about this. i talked to my daughter today. and i said, babe, you're going to be on the health care plan. you might want to go on there and see what lsu offers you. and as a family we might want to do this. i think throws decisions everybody will be making. she said sure, dad, you're going to pay a little more because you make a lot more than other people in america make. she is absolutely right. >> i'm going on give you the last word. >> this is the reality. today i received a letter from a big employer in my district. 3,000 employees. he gives 100% coverage for not only those 3,000 employees but 3500 dependents. no deductible. nothing. all those people january 1st are going to lose their plan. that's the reality that i have to live in. now i'm going to have 6,500
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people in my district with no health care. they'll try to go on to the covered california website and they'll basically then be on medicaid which the doctors in my area already don't want to see medicaid patients. this is the ongoing problem that i think will occur. there will be more and more americans losing their health care and i think it was unnecessary. i hope the president doesn't want to work with us. >> we appreciate the candid conversation. thank you so much. we appreciate it. coming up, a new idea that could help save the homeless from the streets forever.
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if you passed a homeless man on the street, would you give him a dollar? some spare change? or would you keep on walking? one computer programmer, well, he had a different idea. instead of money, he gave would be homeless man a laptop, and the chance to turn his life around. my friend bill wear has the story. >> reporter: this is patrick, the kind of driven computer whiz who starts companies in college. he came to new york hoping to meet someone in tech that would buy ideas and change his life, he just didn't know it would be the homeless guy on the walk to
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work. >> he has something about him. i remember thinking huh, what who is this guy? >> reporter: what do yaw mean he had something about him? >> he had found boat chains, these old, like, boat chain pieces and he was benching those as i was walking, and it was half very and half. >> reporter: he call finding the unjust low homeless and offer a code. he would approach the man the next day and offer either $100 no stranges attached or a cheap laptop, three textbooks on java script and an hour aday teaching him how to write computer program s. when that blog hit, it was
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clueless, degrading and horrible. people compared you to the villains in trading places. >> don't i know you two guys? >> step inside. >> reporter: well, patrick's so-called journey man hacker get a job? no. will there will be a laptop on sale on 58th tomorrow? probably. you had to make a proposition. >> yeah. >> reporter: what was that like? >> he was very charming the minute i walked up like hey. i was like, hi. i'm patrick. he's like i'm leo. >> reporter: this is leo. as a kid, he was obsessed with science, astrong me, physics, he fell in with the wrong crowd, became a father too soon and lost his job and home. >> this guy patrick walks up. >> reporter: yeah.
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>> and says can i talk to you? >> yeah. >> reporter: what goes through your head? >> wow. >> reporter: what did you think he wanted? >> i didn't believe anything. you got the wrong guy. no, he just said hey, i have something strange but i'm pushing an offer and instantly i just said, in my mind, door number two. >> reporter: and then, the stranger actually showed up with an actual laptop, and those lessons turned into an obsession. he would write code for hours, for days on the banks of the hudson or in a nook in pratt trick's office. at night, patrick would go home and leo would go outside. shelters aren't his thing, which seem fine until winter blew in. how do you stay warm on the really bitter nights? >> you go to the train station. >> reporter: yeah. like tons of blankets. >> it's getting really cold and i keep telling him this. he's like i'm good, man, let's keep going.
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>> reporter: patrick wanted to get him employed and housed asap but leo had other priorities. what did you want to do with this information he was teaching you? >> make the world a better place. >> reporter: he's a passionate environmentalist. his heroes are scientists that brave the rugged out doors. >> this is what life is supposed to be. >> reporter: coming outside? >> yeah, i want to be around plants and trees. i want to breathe as much oxygen as possible. >> reporter: since he's really worried about a changing climate, he decided to use his skills to create a carbon cutting app called trees for cars. >> and it shows you exactly where you are at and where you want to go. these would be riders in the same area who want to ride with you. >> reporter: okay. all tech startups have snags but it was stalled when he was arrested for sleeping on a bench
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and police took the computer as evidence. no hard feelings? >> no hard feelings. i know it sounds strange. i have a lot of respect for authority. >> reporter: that's when another guardian angel entered his life. her name is logan and she's been following the saga. when she heard about the arrest, she took time off, flew cross country and gave him a computer of her own. she thinks this friendship could inspire a new kind of mentorship for countless other leos. if patrick was teaching leo english, few would care but coding is a new american dream. >> at the end of the day you didn't go to college but write efficient code, that's an engineer. on the internet, no one knows you're a dog. >> reporter: if you make money off this app, are you going to go get an apartment? are you going to do? >> of course, chump plaza hotel. >> reporter: if he doesn't make
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it to the plaza, he has friends like city workers looking out for him. >> i tell guys don't judge no one. you never know what a person can do. he's a gun use. >> reporter: and there is inner peace, all the money in silicon valley can't buy. how do you manage to keep such a positive attitude? >> faith, prayer, it works, try it. >> reporter: bill, cnn. leo's car pulling app should be available on the apple and android store next week and he's already working on trees for cars 2. we'll be right back. ♪
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